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Poster: darkstar_crashes Date: Dec 3, 2005 11:59am
Forum: etree Subject: Why so surprised at how WEIRd Bob is?

In case nobody has ever noticed, and that would be hard to believe, Bob has always been Mr. Rock-star who wanted to be in charge, in front, in pictures, in the limelight, and in the money. I have never been a Bob-basher because I just acknowledged the fact that he is really cheesey and will do cheap flashy things when on stage (ie. girly screams or wild, attempts to steal the attention while doing wild arm-swinging when you can't even hear his guitar and Jerry is the one who is doing windmills on Morning Dew). I mean the band used to call him rock star because he wanted to be the sexy rocker. He was jealous of Jerry's cult status and wanted to be the official leader of the band when Jerry was around. I mean you can see how much he wants the audience to know that he is the leader in charge when you go see Ratdog, or the Other Ones or the Dead. I saw the Jerry Tribute at the Greek in Berkeley and I noticed so many times that just when the guest guitarists were on the edge of entering into that magical realm he squashed it by putting his arm up signaling the band that he wants to go back to the verse or end the song...one time no one noticed and they continued jamming.
He is just on the surface too much. I don't really understand how he can be in the dead so long when the comments he makes and the way he acts seems like he is more about materialistic or self-promoting things....well, I guess the Rolling Stones are a good example of how that happens...I mean how can Richards play the guitar for more than 35 years and still not be able to play a solo?

The point is, the music industry big-shots have been spewing their propaganda to all the bands about the loss of money due to illegal downloads and musicians who are worried about making more money have listened.

There are two really strange things about what Weir did: one is that the Dead used to even let tapers plug into the SBD and we have some great non-Grateful Dead Merchandise shows that are out there because of that.....so why let tapers tap into the board, but then yank sbds from the archive???
The second is that Weir is not in dire straits - he has no justification as if he would have a meal tommorrow night based on his actions - he is living large and I am sure he has no financial worries. Ok so the sbds can sound better than the auds - but he is not going to "gain" more money by taking them away from the fans. He is only going to look bad. Fans will still hear the dead without buying Vault releases and Dick's Picks. I am not saying people should not buy those, because I have many. I am just saying that his selfish act was only motivated by greed, and in the end, he will be the Loser - he will not have the Estimated Profit that he desires.
I must say that I don't have any anger towards Bob, I just think that he really has never been about the spirit of music, and this action does not surprise me.

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Poster: dynohmike Date: Dec 3, 2005 1:25pm
Forum: etree Subject: Re: Why so surprised at how WEIRd Bob is?

It's interesting what you say about Keith Richards playing no solos and the time the Stones been together. Not to be rude, but the stones have been around for more than 43 years, not 35 and I saw Keith last weekend and he played many, many solos, all spot on.

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Poster: darkstar_crashes Date: Dec 4, 2005 1:42pm
Forum: etree Subject: Re: Why so surprised at how WEIRd Bob is?

The fact that I said 35 years and not 43 is trivial - i knew they started in the 1960s but i did not know the exact year, thus the phrase "more than" 35 years means somewhere in the 60s.
Richards is not the lead guitarist - he does not play the solos, he plays rhythm guitar.
If you really watch him on stage and listen, he plays one chord about every 3 or 4 seconds while he is trying to move around dramatically like a "rockstar" - i mean he is more interested in giving the fans some sort of visual display, some enactment that makes him look like he is rocking out on guitar, but he is barely playing. Ron Wood plays most solos and anything that requires a little talent. The comparison was used because Bob seems to be more interested in image...he wants to "look" like he is the one rocking out when he is not really doing things that are very impresive. I do not question his talent, or his potential for talent, I think he is actually a decent rhythm guitar player - my point is that Jerry was the one who set the house on fire, but Bob is the one who wanted the attention that a rock star gets. I am only saying that some musicians are more interested in surface things like image, money, fame, sex appeal, what have you - and I think Bob can tend to act like those kinds of people on stage and even in interviews - and so a shallow, selfish act like removing the SBDs (when the rest of the band disagreed)is not that surprising.
And I don't know when Richards started playing the guitar, but let's say he has been playing/practicing for at least 45-50 years....shouldn't he be able to blow the roof off by now?
The Stones have always been about showiness. I don't care what the mainstream labels them - "greatest rock band"....whatever. they may have had a few creative songs, but saying they are the greatest is a sham. they are like Aerosmith - flashy.

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Poster: dstanme Date: Dec 4, 2005 7:52am
Forum: etree Subject: Re: Why so surprised at how WEIRd Bob is?

Interesting points, however, Keith Richards is the greatest rhythm guitar player in history and its his work with Watts and whoever on bass that makes the Stones rhythm section arguably the best ever. Garcia wanted Weir out because he has never learned to play rhythm guitar correctly. Speaking as a guitar player for 30 years with some degree of success, Weir has always been at best an unusual player. I'm not saying he sucks but he wasn't what Jerry wanted/needed. Imagine someone of Richard's skills playing with Phil and the drummers....now thats a rhythm section I'd pay to hear.

This post was modified by dstan on 2005-12-04 15:52:52

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Poster: midnight sun Date: Dec 4, 2005 9:04am
Forum: etree Subject: Re: Why so surprised at how WEIRd Bob is?

Garcia wanted Weir "out"?
Will you provide reference to your statement?

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Poster: dstanme Date: Dec 4, 2005 9:51am
Forum: etree Subject: Re: Why so surprised at how WEIRd Bob is?

Sure, Garcia wanted Weir and Pig Pen out very early on late 60s I think. As a matter of fact, the story goes that he fired them both but they just sort of stayed. Its in most books about the Dead.